leaked designs for the next 6 disney princesses
ugh I’m sorry buit this just ticks me off because I know this has to do with Anna from “Frozen” Looking like Rapunzel but omg seriously?
Ana doesn’t look THAT much liek Rapunzel! Like— damn!
Their eye shapes are different, Anna has a smaller nose, and it concaves inward more, her face is rounder, Rapunzel has more of a jaw!
Yes— they do look similar, but so what? People look similar. That’s just how things are! But this is ridiculous. It just makes me mad that people are getting all up and frumpy about this. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I want to work for disney, but it just makes me mad.
okay I don’t usually reply to these sorts of posts but the whole “THEY’RE DIFFERENT REALLY” thing is exhausting so I’m for once gonna speak my mind on the matter.
It’s not about the fact that Anna has a “smaller nose and slightly rounder face and OH MY GOD BLUE EYES AND SLIGHTLY DARKER HAIR” it’s about the fact that Disney CAN but it DOESN’T.
What do I mean by this? Let’s take a look at the official Disney Princess lineup why don’t we.
There we see a total of 11 Princesses, 7 out of which are white (and front and center mind you) and 4 WOC. Disney CAN include more WOC in their movies, Ana could’ve been any ethnicity, any body type, any ANYTHING, but instead she’s a slightly modified version of Rapunzel. Disney CAN do it, but it doesn’t.
Where’s a fat princess? Where’s a latina princess? And don’t even tell me that THIS ABOMINATION is supposed to be a representation of my community because I can’t even begin on THAT subject Where’s ANYTHING but another stereotypical white princess? When you have something as iconic as the Disney Princesses that all little kids grow up looking at, you must be careful and understand that representation is crucial. For example how come there’s 7 white princesses but only 1 black? Why can’t there be 2, or 3, or 7 for that matter?
Or someone like Mulan, yeah she’s a Chinese princess, but what about the rest of east asians? Are they all supposed to identify with the Chinese princess?
It’s not about Anna looking slightly different than Rapunzel, it’s about misrepresentation. Women all over the world come in all sizes, shapes and colors, yet Disney princesses come in predominantly white colors and all the same shape and size. NOT TO MENTION THAT WOC Princesses usually get WAY less merchandise and representation than the white princesses, and the movies for the WOC princesses, all touch very controversial topics and perpetrate stereotypes about POC. So please, understand that it’s not “being anal” about Disney’s character design choices, it’s being really fucking done and tired about Disney’s character design choices.
What’s kinda interesting is if you think about it on the basest of terms, it’s kinda like people complaining that a popular artists only draws kawaii tiny anime girls and needs more variety.
This is actually an age-old character design problem that’s exacerbated by 3D.
We haven’t really nailed 3D animation yet, and it’s still pretty limiting in regards to things like the uncanny valley. We have to be cartoony, but since the objects have to exist in 3D space with textures and real lighting, it would look totally out of place if the characters were too stylized. The result is a very narrow spectrum of what looks good in 3D. Even Pixar struggles with this, but it’s especially evident in studios of less renown.
These are major characters from various 3D movies released over the last 5 years. They all look the same. Nice smooth oval face, small rounded nose, and large eyes like rounded lemon wedges. If you told me that these were all designed by the same person I would believe it. This similarity is due to to the small spectrum of what looks good in 3D.
“But why not go super stylized? There are films where the main character has a wacky and very different design!”
The answer to that lies in the art of character design itself. Characters with those designs are always over the top, true characters. You are meant to laugh at their antics, or see them as evil, or whatever the design presents. We are not meant to connect with them on a level where we see ourselves in their shoes, and sympathize with them as main characters.
As humans we have a very limited range of visual traits that we subconsciously make a connection with. That is why character design for protagonists is often bland in comparison to the supporting cast- the more unique you make them the less the audience will sympathize with them. Again I stress that this is an unconscious phenomenon, but it has been proven and used to the advantage of any professional character designer out there.
Hotel Transylvania has characters by Genndy Tartakovsky, originally a 2D animator, so it suffers less from the boring 3D design problem. Dracula, in the center there, may be the “main character” and have a unique design, but he is a funny caricature who is meant to entertain us. The two who we are meant to connect with, who carry the emotional plot of the movie and serve as gateways to the world, are the two teenagers who follow the same 3D design template as the protagonists in every other 3D movie.
We naturally prefer attractive people (look at hollywood) and those who appear similar to ourselves for evolutionary breeding purposes. It makes more sense to cast a wide net then to pinpoint increasingly specific races and ethnicities and risk alienating everyone else. And I can’t really blame them for doing this. Of course it’s good to have plenty of diversity in your movie lineup, but you also want to draw as few lines of possible between an audience member and the character.
Calling for a princess of every different race and ethnicity is just silly. If a little Korean girl can’t connect with Mulan because she’s Chinese, or Cinderella because she’s British, that’s a problem with the girl, not the movie. I have never not been able to sympathize with a character because they’re black, or a woman, or a talking dog. I want to see all peoples represented fairly, and whitewashing is not something that should happen. However arguing that the next princess should be X race so that people of X race can identify with her is flawed thinking. In that case I call for the next princess to be a short Scottish-Polish American male with an interest in art and science, because I am incapable of enjoying a movie unless my identity is pasted onto the screen. Damn is it ever hard to find a movie I like.
TLDR; Disney isn’t doing this because they’re sexist or racist. They’re using a strategy to ensure as many people can put themselves in the shoes of a princess as possible. It isn’t their fault, it’s just the way our brain works. We’ve only noticed the great similarity because the limitations of 3D animation have really brought it out. I don’t want whitewashing, but if you need your own race to be a Disney princess in order to enjoy the movie… you’re probably a bit racist yourself.
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I want you all to read this and read it real good
This is disgusting. The presumption that ‘mass appeal’ means having to create more white characters when white people don’t even make up a majority of human population, let alone the global movie-going audience. It is clearly setting up white people as this broadly familiar default when white people are only broadly familiar because popular media centers and focuses on white characters.
“I don’t want whitewashing, but if you need your own race to be a Disney princess in order to enjoy the movie… you’re probably a bit racist yourself.”
This line is the most revelatory as it directly contradicts the rest of the post. Disney needs to create white princesses so the most people can connect to them, but if audiences of color want princesses of color to connect to, the people of color are the ones who are racist.
I give like zero shits about the new character looking like Rapunzel but I do care about how little girls of color in studies, again and again, think of dolls and characters of color as uglier and inferior to white dolls. I care that we care so much about defending Disney because of this and that about 3D animation (despite them having much more time to work with 2D animation for the past century and yet, the ratios are the same) instead of thinking of ways to create more inclusive media that celebrates people of color.
I hate it when I follow people for their cute art only to see them agreeing with a disgustingly racist post, as is the case here with knightjj.
stop right there
You are missing the point of this post.
I know this post can be confusing
If I read it wrong that’s my fault and in that case I disagree with that person on some points.
but this is how I see it.
The first part of the last comment is about the facial structure.
people relate to characters with a specific face. Look at the hotel transylvania example. He tells us that there is a difference between the father who is more cartoony and the daughter who has a rounded more common (in animation) face. Which is unconsciously more relatable to the target audiences.
media focuses on the shape of a face .
The point of the next bit is about racial diversity
the next part starts at this bit (there should have been a backspace there)
"It makes more sense to cast a wide net then to pinpoint increasingly specific races and ethnicities and risk alienating everyone else."
It could have been phrased better but It doesn’t say everybody relates to a white person. That’s absolutely not true.
The point is that you should not Force a race on a character.
You can’t say the next princess should be X race because we already have X amount of X race.
A choice like that should be sincere. otherwise you get a fake character.
Race shouldn’t matter to relate to a character
For example I look more ike Aurora but I relate more to Jasmine then to her.
ofcouse it’s great to have someone represent you. But wouldn’t you want that person to be a sincere character?
I personally was trilled to see Rapunzel because she looks a lot like me. But that’s not the reason I like her the most. It’s her personality, her interest in painting and drawing etc. Before her Jasmine was my favourite.
I totally agree that there should be more POC princesses.
But take a look at Disney:
1991 Belle - white
1992- Jasmine - Arabic
1995- Pocahontas - Native American
1998- Mulan - Chinese
2009- Tiana - African American
2010 - Rapunzel -white
(2012 - Merida -white) putting this one between brackets because it’s pixar.
2013 - Anna -white
from Belle to Rapunzel there hasn’t been a white princess in almost 20 years.
(this post is relevant to that)
Disney is changing. disney is really trying! You just need to give them some time.
All these Disney characters are based on stories and legends, usually those stories need to reside in the general area that they were written in and that’s why most of the characters are white, but when the stories are less specific they can be brought into different places and situations like with The Princess and The Frog.
stories have to have fundaments in real life to be able to relate even more. there has to be a certain truth in a story to make it believable that there are magical things too
Princess and the frog for example did a great job at that.
they even adressed racism.
Did you know that the next Disney movie Big hero six has a japanese main character?
Also to the being racist yourself part. That isn’t about coloured people.being racist it’s about people being that. The part of the korean girl was a example. When white people say I can’t connect with Tiana because she is black it’s racist too!
By the way
Whitewashing means making a character that is not white and making him or her white. It doesn’t mean making a white character that has been white from the very first design.
I agree with you on the doll part. but that’s not animation or disney for that matter fault. It’s MEDIA.
It’s marketing that’s behind the lineups. Not the storytellers, concept artists, animatiors etc.
and It’s completely wrong.
I made this post in hope that people could reconsider their thoughts about frozen and give it a chance. and stop the constant arguing.
and please don’t judge a movie if it even hasn’t come out yet. you can do that after you’ve seen it.
Also I don’t really appreciate you calling me racist. Because I’m not. I at least try not to be.
I love everyone I don’t care what you look like!
But thankyou about the compliment about my art. :)
I love the commentary on “whitewashing”. It’s a term thrown around by self-proclaimed “social justice bloggers” and they think it makes them sound more credible, but it doesn’t. Whitewashing isn’t the act of producing a character who is, in all stages of design white, white. It means that you take a character who has always been of color and turning them white. It’s like if you were to take Mulan and make her a white girl in the middle of China. That wouldn’t make sense. What they did with Tiana was the opposite of whitewashing. They turned a character who has almost always been portrayed as white and changed her character design into the Princess we know and love today.
Also, I’d like to add this: Frozen, Tangled, Brave, etc. are NOT the end-all-be-all of Disney. People act like the sky is falling and that we will never have another non-white Disney Princess ever again oh woe is me.
That’s not going to happen. Do you honestly think that everyone at Disney just sat down and said “Well…guess that’s good enough. We’ll just be making white Princesses from now on.”? If that is what you think, then you are grossly naive. But they’re also not going to say “No more white Princesses ever again.” because that would be absolutely ridiculous. You’ve gotta be naive to believe that they’re just going to stop making white princesses.
I also think it’s extremely naive when people tell me “Little girls of color can’t relate to white characters.” Are you discrediting my love of Cinderella as a very little girl? I was (and am) a little brown girl with unruly, dark hair, dark eyes, and skin the color of bronzer. Do you honestly think that I couldn’t relate to Cinderella? Are you telling me that I have to segregate myself and only relate to the characters of color. I’ve been told I look like Esmeralda, but I truly and wholeheartedly relate to Belle. She is my inspiration and I would love her even if she was green with purple hair and four arms. You wanna know why? Because she is like me. She likes to read and she’s sassy and stands up for what she believes in. Not because she’s white or black or brown or purple or orange.
Go to a Disney theme park and look at who the little girls are dressed up as. You know what I see more often than not? Little girls breaking out of the racial roles that society forces them into and dressing up OUTSIDE their race. I see little blonde girls running around in Jasmine costumes, Tiana costumes, Mulan costumes, Pocahontas costumes… And I see little dark girls running around in Cinderella costumes. Do you think they care about the race of their Princess? No. The Princesses, for them, stand for justice, love, faith, power, freedom, fearlessness, and kindness. Not the color of their skin.
Over the years these Princesses have become part of my family. I will defend the old ones and the new ones to my grave, regardless of their race. I will defend my right to look up to any of those young women not based on their race, but based on their character. I will fight for more diversity, not because it’s a competition, but because our differences are what can bring us together and unite us and liberate us. We shouldn’t feel stifled by the racial roles that society (and “social justice bloggers”) force on us. Any one of us, regardless of race, should be able to love whomever they want. I want change and I want diversity, but I don’t believe that you have to make it into a competition. No one’s racing here, it’s a one-man competition and you’re the only person running. No one else is here to “win” or have the most Princess of their race. We all just want to see our spirit up there on the screen, and if that comes in a Princess with green skin, purple hair, and four arms, that’s alright with me.